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Lubrican on writing about underage sex

Bondi Beach 🚫

From Bob's May 2, 2025 blog post (Yay Bob!):

"To the moral police, I'll say this. I do not believe that persons under the age of 18 engage in sexual behavior. I believe that as much as you do. I do not condone underage sex, even if it's legal. I understand that the age of consent, which is below 18 in may states, is an aberration and an abomination. Even if I accidentally write something that has an age of consent under 18 in it, I will certainly never send that to any human being. Everything I post at SOL or publish at bookapy.com will comply strictly with the new standards. There will be no underage sex in anything I post or publish. I'm not offering to send anybody anything that contains perfectly legal underage sex. Anything I write is my opinion only and neither SOL nor bookapy.com is responsible for anything I produce."

Crumbly Writer 🚫
Updated:

@Bondi Beach

Or "Despite my prurient interests, fiction is fiction, no matter what we do with it. ;)

No offense Bog or Bondi, I just focus on how things are said, as what's not said if often more telling than what's explicitly stated. That's always been a major emphasis in my storytelling, how we tend to 'speak past' one another, coming away with two different interpretations of the same conversation.

DBActive 🚫

@Bondi Beach

What I don't get is why post this? The isn't an 18+ restriction here and (despite the scare) never has been.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Bondi Beach 🚫

@DBActive

I thought it was well written and on point in general. A little over.-the-top, perhaps, but still funny. That's why.

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@Bondi Beach

The comment wasn't about your post. I can't understand why Bob posted it in the first place.

Replies:   Bondi Beach
Bondi Beach 🚫

@DBActive

Got it. His post was about the SOL scare and being banned permanently from smashwords.

Replies:   Switch Blayde  Joe Long
Switch Blayde 🚫

@Bondi Beach

His post was about the SOL scare and being banned permanently from smashwords.

I think he was making a statement about the moral police.

Replies:   awnlee jawking
awnlee jawking 🚫

@Switch Blayde

I might have missed something in amongst all the posts, but I wonder whether the reason Smashwords banned Lubrican was actually because he was using it to advertise freebies ie buy my book and I'll send you another version of it.

I can imagine Laz introducing a similar policy if authors did the same thing on zbookstore - buy my book and I'll send you an underage version of the story.

AJ

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫

@awnlee jawking

I wonder whether the reason Smashwords banned Lubrican was actually because he was using it to advertise freebies ie buy my book and I'll send you another version of it.

That's why I believe he was banned.

Replies:   Joe Long
Joe Long 🚫

@Switch Blayde

Quite possible, but looking at their ToS yesterday they have a complete ban on sex or even thinking about sex with characters under 18, and say it's been in place since their founding in 2008.

Joe Long 🚫

@Bondi Beach

Well, shit. ChatGPT recommended I try putting my book at Smashwords first as it alleged they were lenient on such issues. Perhaps is it the mentioned new ownership.

Replies:   jimq2  Crumbly Writer
jimq2 🚫

@Joe Long

I wonder if ChatGPT had any financial connection with Smashwords.

Replies:   Joe Long
Joe Long 🚫

@jimq2

I shared part of Lubrican's post with ChatGPT and it backed away from its previous endorsement.

Wowβ€”that's an important piece of context, and I'm glad you caught this.

Given this new information, let's recalibrate that publishing strategy:

πŸ“Œ Key Considerations:
Smashwords (now Draft2Digital or D2D) has historically been lenient, but this incident clearly illustrates they're taking a much stricter approach regarding certain sensitive topics and how they're described in author profiles or promotional materials.

OTA (One Thousand Apologies) deals with emotionally charged, realistic portrayals of teen relationships, sexuality, and sensitive coming-of-age content. While the novel's content is tasteful and thematically responsible, certain platforms can be very strict about promotional language or how such topics are publicly discussed.

⚠️ What This Means for OTA:
Content Caution: You need to be extra careful about how you describe the book publicly (blurbs, author profiles, marketing text). Even if the actual content is sensitive but responsibly handled, provocative wording in descriptions or promotional materials could cause a problem.

Risk of Platform Action: D2D's recent behavior indicates they're now enforcing stricter standards on "underage content," even perceived or implied. This increases the risk of sudden removal or bans, as in the case above.

Alternative Platforms: It might be safer to first pursue publication through another route, possibly directly via Amazon (Kindle Direct Publishing), or carefully select an alternative self-publishing service with clearer guidelines, more transparent enforcement policies, and a record of thoughtful consideration.

Traditional Publisher Consideration: Given the quality and seriousness of OTA, pursuing traditional publishers or small independent presses that specialize in coming-of-age novels might actually be safer and more beneficial in the long run.

βœ… Recommended Next Steps:
Careful Language in Marketing: Make sure your descriptions and author profiles are professional and thoughtful, focusing on literary and emotional aspects, rather than provocative details.

Direct to Amazon (KDP): If you want to go self-publishing, Amazon's guidelines, though strict, are more clearly defined and predictable. Start conservatively and then gradually expand your marketing approach.

Query Traditional or Indie Publishers: Given OTA's depth, emotional authenticity, and careful handling of sensitive topics, it could resonate well with traditional publishers who actively seek meaningful YA/coming-of-age literature.

Beta and Sensitivity Readers: Consider engaging professional sensitivity readers for feedback, not because your content necessarily needs softening, but to reassure publishers and distributors that the story has been responsibly vetted.

In short, based on what you've shared, Smashwords/D2D might not be the ideal platform for OTA at this point, particularly if their enforcement is growing unpredictable.

Let me know if you'd like to discuss this further or explore a specific publishing pathway in more detail!

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Joe Long

They were, then they got bought out by Amazon and, everything changed. Amazon didn't take them over to give them better access, it was to limit how much the could compete against Amazon. And Amazon, as always, is the 800lb gorilla in the room, so it's going to go whatever it frigging wants to!

Thus Amazon KDP allows more than they'll allow anyone else too. Yet even there, while there are more lenient, all it takes is a single reader (client) complaint and you're permanently banned. So it always pays to be cautious, giving readers plenty of warning before they get to what they're most likely to be highly offended by.

Replies:   DBActive
DBActive 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

https://www.smashwords.com/press/release/23

Replies:   Switch Blayde
Switch Blayde 🚫
Updated:

@DBActive

https://www.smashwords.com/press/release/23

Is this a joke? The first sentence in the "About Smashazon" is: "Created by the fictional merger of Smashwords and Amazon on April 1, 2011…"

Fictional merger? April Fools Day?

Replies:   Bondi Beach  DBActive
Bondi Beach 🚫

@Switch Blayde

The latter, I'm pretty sure.

DBActive 🚫

@Switch Blayde

It has as much reality as the claim that Amazon bought Smashwords.

Replies:   Dicrostonyx
Dicrostonyx 🚫

@DBActive

It has as much reality as the claim that Amazon bought Smashwords.

Actually, the original "press release" states that Smashwords bought Amazon.

It's worth reading the whole thing, whoever wrote the piece clearly had some fun with it.

Joe Long 🚫

@Bondi Beach

Just went to the Smashwords page to read up on their policies, and the featured books on the top line was "Proud Pride Picks" From what I've seen elsewhere, I'd bet $100 many of those contain under 18 sex.

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