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jcourson50 🚫

I started this conversation in the Story Ideas thread, but didn't get any traction there, so I'll ask here and see if it's a more appropriate audience.

I've been trying to work on a few story ideas. I can write the outline of 1 or 2 thousand words, but when I try to add the flavor and the dialogue, I muck it all up. A music metaphor would be a person who can play the notes on a piano but can't make it music.

I'd love to find somebody who might be interested in working with me to flesh the story frameworks I have into actual stories that others might like to read. I added a little detail in the Story Ideas thread I started on Mar. 20th but lacked the foresight to copy/paste into this thread.

If the idea is of interest to anybody, please feel free to send a DM. Thanks for your consideration.

Switch Blayde 🚫

@jcourson50

I started this conversation in the Story Ideas thread, but didn't get any traction there, so I'll ask here and see if it's a more appropriate audience.

It should probably be in the Authors Hangout. Aren't you seeking an author to collaborate with you?

Replies:   jcourson50
jcourson50 🚫

@Switch Blayde

That makes sense. Trying to work on something for the first time and need those kind of tips. Thanks!

Eddie Davidson 🚫
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@jcourson50

You may be too hard on yourself.

The **ONLY** way you get better is to practice/write.

Your music metaphor is fantastic.

Do you think Eddie Van Halen or Slash picked up his guitar and started being a rock god immediately?

Or did they muck it up, and have to practice, and work at getting their fingers and thumbs to do what they needed them to do?

Very few people just pick up the guitar and play it well without practice. Write, Write, Write, and then read, read, read - learn from other stories and how the authors show the reader without telling them -apply those techniques - you likely won't be amazing at first.

If you only do something because you are a natural at it, you'll be a failure at almost everything.

Don't sweat it - work on the story of your dreams, write it how you want. I love collaboration and it would be great to have a muse to bounce ideas back and forth with - but it's super hard to find someone interested in what you are and the type of story you may want to tell.

The best advice I can give you is - don't worry about it/say fuck it.

write the story, if you "muck it up" - so what? find some mentors/authors, and learn from it, and get better. You won't do that by not writing and letting them do the lion share of it after you start the idea.

Also, AI is super helpful as a mentor if you get stuck and know how to grease it so it doesn't trigger any of it's internal algorithms, and will even help you with refining dialogue. It never gets bored and it's always online when you are. Don't let it write your entire story, but put a paragraph in the AI and ask it to refine it with context and writing samples and see what happens. You might use some of it/all of it.

When I first started, I didn't have MS word and I received a lot of negative feedback - which I took to heart and gave them power over me to make me doubt myself.

Don't do that - don't make the mistake that I made.

Lastly, the best way to write the story is to pretend you are sitting across from someone in a bar, telling them a particularly dirty story about the most interesting time in someone's life. Then just write what you would say to tell the story.

DarkKnight 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

Lastly, the best way to write the story is to pretend you are sitting across from someone in a bar, telling them a particularly dirty story about the most interesting time in someone's life. Then just write what you would say to tell the story.

That's exactly how I started!

Crumbly Writer 🚫

@Eddie Davidson

In most cases, what works best is—again—to find a SOL author writing similar stories, hopefully in a different genre, so there's little incentive to either steal or 'borrow' particular plot points, and then reach out to them to help 'guide you' and more specifically, to bounce story ideas off of.

But the whole point in finding those writing in a different genre, isn't that they'd intentionally steal (i.e. plagiarize) a story, it's the tendency of most to 'unintentionally' borrow ideas or story threads, which is actually much more common, as we each see a specific line we're inspired by, and then after some time, it'll show up in our stories because it just 'fits the story so perfectly', never recalling why they favor the phrasing so much.

Outright plagiarism is a huge issue, yet the 'unintentional plagarism' is incredibly common and it's why I try to keep a running collection of 'classic' quotes to refer to as I'm writing (mainly for use as epigraphs—i.e. literary quotes I use to summarize the subject matter of either a story or an new chapter).

But by searching that list of literary quotations, I can quickly determine whether my favorite lines are indeed, 'mine' or not.

Replies:   Michael Loucks
Michael Loucks 🚫

@Crumbly Writer

What you're describing as 'plagiarism' is, in effect, how English works. We (mostly unwittingly) quote the King James Bible, Shakespeare, Homer, Sun Tzu, and others, to the point where their words become common idioms. Examples:

"The apple of my eye"
"At the eleventh hour"
"Break the ice"
"Wear your heart on your sleeve"
"The writing is on the wall"
"Bite the dust"
"By the skin of your teeth"

And on and on. In my AWLL series, it's referred to as 'Darmok', and rather than the Bible, Shakespeare, or Homer, it is about movies and television shows.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
"Just when I was out, they pulled me back in"

And, it's done all the time, as exemplified by Chris on The Sopranos when, after being asked why he was late, he quotes the Boss…

"The highway was filled with broken heroes out for a last chance power drive"

That's just how English works.

JoeMoose 🚫

@jcourson50

I dont'see your Pen name in the author's list
wanted to see some of your posts

Replies:   Dominions Son
Dominions Son 🚫

@JoeMoose

I dont'see your Pen name in the author's list

You won't until he's posted at least one story. The way I read the OP, there is a direct implication that he hasn't posted anything yet.

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