Forum: Author Hangout

Which is for the best, as those hoping to skirt SOL's rules, don't help those who've long posted and published here. Thus, do whatever you need to and let the whiners find anywhere else they can find, but none are as open and supportive as SOL is. So, hopefully they'll be satisfied with whatever cesspool they find so they can happily feast beneath the slime.

You're either a part of the community or you were never a part of it to begin with. So, let forth your vengeance, as we'll sit back, continuing writing as we appreciate the free show. ;)

At the risk of bending the site-mentioning rules, there is a fiction publishing site that references an animal I (purely coincidentally - I have no connection with the site) have as part of my author name, combined with another word for tavern (and, pun-wise, obviously suited to publishing). It has no age limitations, I believe.

Sadly, it appears they are at present closed to new submissions.

In the end, anyone who relies on kiddy-porn alone, isn't who we want here, as the law, ANYWHERE, will come down hard to such sites, and desevedly so. So the SOL authors would rather have a stable, safe environment, as the pedophiles will soon find themselves in jail where no-one appreciates pedophiles there, since most have kids of their own.

The lifespan of pedophiles in prison is notoriously short, and no one is likely to report their assault. I've seen it happen to others, trying to skate by the rules. It NEVER works out in the extremely short end.

The youngest is eleven, the oldest is 19. All girls. Average age is 14.8 yrs. 115 stories, 3700 words each average. Just wondering if someplace might sell it as an E-Book or something.

Lulu won't knowingly take anything with under-18 characters, nor will Amazon or Apple Books either, I think.

You may slide by without mentioning anything about actual ages, so if the age is essential to the story and essential that the reader knows it specifically, you probably won't get it published by any of the biggies.

I am genuinely surprised that G Younger has been able to consistently publish Stupid Boy and other series on SouthAmericanRiverSite that have all manner of under-18s banging.

Again, they're warnings rather than prohibitions, but it's best to know the penalties if you violate those warnings. There are ways to avoid those, yet only if you're already familiar with those.

Years ago, I knew some gay authors who loved post gay pedophilia stories, and despite my warnings, most ended up in jail, and were never heard from again (most inmates have families they care for, whatever their occupation may be). So again, precede cautiously, at least testing the waters before diving off cliffs into shallow waters.

That site has some particular aspects to it, as they never review content, instead relying on user complaints, as which they'll completely ban you and your IRL, usually for life.

So, if you give your ample warning of the whole stories content is (ex: two siblings being attracted to each other yet merely flitting for some time), then any who aren't 'into that', can stop reading, before they even reach the parts they could object to.

Yet, I've repeatedly suggested that to many authors, yet most simply shrug, saying "Nah!", only to later pay the piper. So again, it's always worked for me, but ...

Again, it's two entirely different types of readers. Which again, for me at least, I prefer completing the book and then posting, as it's easier to revise than it is to change an ongoing story (with sometimes unpredictable results).

KDP reader, like all published stories, tend to read the entire story at once, while many prefer the more extended postings, as it helps to draw out the story as well as develop the anticipation for each story (which is much better for unexpected story twists, where readers have time to imagine what'll likely happen, and thus are truly surprised by the more significant twists.

A little literary psychology there, for anyone who gives a damn. ;)

I totally get it. I'm reviewing my Off The Deep End right now to see what I can do to make it KDP palatable since Bookapy sales have failed completely off since there's sexual contact between under 18s.

Which by the way, is complete bullshit. Apart from the sex between underage characters in mainstream big publisher YA books, 'literary' authors like Australian Tim Winton have explicit discussion of 14yo getting to second base and then the smell of their accidental ejaculation.

But KDP will just ban an indie author.

Please, lay off the theatrics! There are ways to better present stories. Again, proper labeling and properly preparing readers are necessary, so they won't be surprised by the content and register those complaints.

The problem is that many just don't care about the risk, and prefer throwing caution to the wind and do whatever they were going to anyway. So, you pay your dues and take your chances, the same as the rest of us. So when it comes time to pay your dues, don't come crying to the rest of us. You knew the risks going in, and a little planning can easily resolve those risks.

It's not like no one can possibly predict those complaints, as it's completely predictable. So when you play with fire, prepare to get singed.

It's not like KDP is the only outlet available, but sometimes you have to modify the submissions based on the site's TOCs (Terms & Conditions), which are clearly labeled, yet few of us every bother to read.

Amazon is about as flexible as you could ask for, yet if drop a firebomb in your own lap, don't be surprise when it does. As always, you takes your changes and live with the results. Capisce? Continually whining about it just pisses EVERYONE off.

Once again, if you need some help coping, just ask, yet just be prepared for others to hold you feet the fire when it's deserved.

See, this is why I don't use my actual name in these posts, as honesty often pisses people off, and 'helpful suggestions' nearly always does. There's no reason to accept my suggestions, as it is your story and thus it's no skin off my nose if it goes awry.

Again, I'm sympathetic, but sometimes the theatrics just get tiresome, as they really serve no purpose.

Except, Amazon has NEVER scanned submitted test, relying entirely on user complains, when ensuring those complaining will never see those post/submissions again! They know who's paying their bills and who's merely abusing their privileges.

The 'river site' has NO restrictions, and they is plenty of hard-core porn, yet if anyone posts a complaint, you'll be kicked off the site, with little chance of returning unless to claim an all-new bogus identity. Which are easily spotted, and reported, by SOL members.

So, good luck with that. There are ways of circumventing that, yet I'm guessing the question has no interest in 'cleaning up' their act, even for a single chapter or two.

The dumbasses deserve the harsh results.

Zbookstore has the same terms and restrictions as SOL does, as I've long use their original site, and the vast majority are still there (i.e. except those I 'unpublished' (retired) myself).

>"Just because it has graphic sex doesn't
> make it pornographic. Just saying.

And any author/novelist who can't write a decent plot or story arc, won't lost for long anyway. SOL provides plenty of room to hang yourself, as well as plenty of opportunity to build a dedicated following. As long as you play by the rules, that is!

And any decent story normally has a wide variety of characters, not just randy old men and small, vulnerable children. So don't ask us to support your own utter stupidity.

As always, the take changes and you pay the consequences. That works equally everywhere in life. There are always nebulous, questionable sites and locations, yet they're usually heavily monitored by a wide variety of sources, no official and non-official.

I suppose I could change it so the minimum age is fourteen.

You can have off-camera sex involving under 14 characters if you do not give detailed descriptions.

You can have off-camera sex involving under 14 characters if you do not give detailed descriptions.

Now I'm wondering how it could be considered off-camera if you do give detailed descriptions.

@DBActive

You can have off-camera sex involving under 14 characters if you do not give detailed descriptions.

@Dominions Son

Now I'm wondering how it could be considered off-camera if you do give detailed descriptions.

If you are giving detailed descriptions of sexual activity, that would likely not be considered off-camera but instead more of a cutaway scene.

Consider "Hearsay". "I heard that this person did this, and that and..."
Definitely violating the spirit. Possibly not violating the letter of the law.
Not something I plan to test or write.

I remember the days when most cities had multiple retail locations when you could freely purchase anything you desired. But Amazon effectively closed down the vast majority of retail outlets, as it's cheaper and you have a much broader reach on the internet than any physical location, where the expenses are much, much higher too.

It's not that there are no bookstores, it's just that now they're smaller and much more specialized, giver the Rivers steady undercutting of the surrounding … banks? There are always the Grand bookstores, which offer a wide variety of books at cheaper prices, specifically required textbooks, so they're both cheaper to purchase and also more profitable selling them back. A win-win for everyone but the school professors scalping their students.

Everytime I return to one, I'll spend hours at a time exploring the shelves in a wide variety of categories, never knowing what I'm likely to find.

Amazon sells crap cheaply, yet they'll still not worth much, as they've always been a discount reseller, not a true bookstore (i.e. they only sell what they're paid to sell of are offered specific prices to sell by volume. Specialty Bookstores are much more selective of what titles they carry—quality content.

As far as libraries, our current libraries have banned so many books based on absurd standards (wide-scale cancellation of the very principal of 'free-speech').